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Gapped Ferrite Toroid: 5 A Calculations

Using a Hall effect sensor to report on the Kenmore 158’s universal motor current puts different limits on the ferrite toroid than the LED current sensor: higher current, bigger wires, and mandatory galvanic isolation. One could, of course, just buy an Allegro ACS713/4/5 (or whatever) sensor from, say, Digikey, but, for a one-off project, it’s more interesting to run the numbers and build the thing.

The motor winding resistance limits the peak current to about 200 V / 40 Ω = 5 A, in the absence of the transistor current limiter, and, if it gets above that, things have gone very, very wrong. Mostly, I expect currents under 1 A and it may be useful to reduce the full scale appropriately.

The cheap eBay “SS49” Hall effect sensors I’m using produce anywhere between 0.9 and 1.8 mV/G; I’ll use 1.4 mV/G, which is at least close to the original Honeywell spec. That allows a bit over ±1000 G around the sensor’s VCC/2 bias within its output voltage range (the original datasheet says minimum ±650 G), so I’ll use B = 1000 G as the maximum magnetic flux density. The overall calibration will be output voltage / input current and I’m not above doing a one-off calibration run and baking the constant into the firmware.

The effective mean path length turns out to be a useful value for a slit toroid:

effective MPL = (toroid MPL - air gap length) + (µ · air gap length)

The SS49 style sensor spec says they’re 1.6 mm thick,  and the saw-cut gaps run a bit more, but 1.5 mm will be close enough for now.

The relation between all those values:

B = 0.4 π µ NI / (effective MPL)

Solving for NI:

NI = B · (eff MPL) / (0.4 π µ)

Solving for N:

N = B · (eff MPL) / (0.4 π µ I)

You always round up the result for N, because fractional turns aren’t a thing you can do with a toroid.

FT50-61 toroid:

  • µ = 125
  • Saturation B = 2350 G
  • MPL = 3.02 cm
  • Effective MPL = (3.02 – 0.15) + (125 · 0.15) = 21.6 cm
  • N = 28 turns

A somewhat larger FT82-43 toroid:

  • µ = 850
  • Saturation B = 2750 G
  • MPL = 5.26 cm
  • Effective MPL = (5.26 – 0.15) + (850 · 0.15) = 133 cm
  • N = 25 turns

The saturation flux density seems to be measured at H = 10 Oe, but that applies to the intact toroids. The air gap dramatically reduces the effective µ, so you must apply a higher H to get the same B in the ferrite at saturation. At least, I think that’s the way it should work.

H = 0.4 π NI / (geometric MPL)

Then:

  • FT50-61: H = 58 Oe
  • FT82-43: H = 30 Oe

I’m surely missing some second-order effect that invalidates all those numbers.

Figuring the wire size for the windings:

FT50:

  • ID = 0.281 inch
  • Circumference = 0.882 inch
  • 28 turns → wire OD = 0.882/28 = 31 mil
  • 20 AWG without insulation

FT82:

  • ID = 0.520 inch
  • Circumference = 1.63 inch
  • 25 turns → wire OD = 1.63/25 = 65 mil
  • 14 AWG without insulation

Of course, the wire needs insulation, but, even so, the FT82 allows a more rational wire size.

Page 4.12 of the writeup from Magnetics Inc has equations and a helpful chart. They suggest water cooling a diamond-bonded wheel during the slitting operation; my slapdash technique worked only because I took candy-ass cuts.

A table of magnet wire sizes with varying insulation from Cooner Wire.

Some general notes about building & measuring inductors from the University of Denver.

Doodles for the FT82-43:

FT82-43 Doodles
FT82-43 Doodles

Doodles for the FT50-61:

FT50-61 Doodles
FT50-61 Doodles

Running the numbers using the Magnetics Inc equations:

Ferrite Gap Doodles
Ferrite Gap Doodles

Comments

4 responses to “Gapped Ferrite Toroid: 5 A Calculations”

  1. Brian Lilly Avatar
    Brian Lilly

    Click to access PowerDesign.pdf

    is where “Page 4.12 of the writeup from Magnetics Inc” points to.

    1. Ed Avatar

      Turns out that’s what happens when the usual “http://” vanishes from the URL. Looks like a finger fumble to me.

      Good catch! Thanks…

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