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Champion Hose Nozzle: Refreshed Seal Attempt

The battered Champion hose nozzle came into play last fall, leaked profusely when turned off, went to a Safe Place for the winter, and recently emerged:

Champion hose nozzle - disassembled
Champion hose nozzle – disassembled

The conical surface (to the right of the tip) must make perfect contact with the edge of a perfect cylindrical hole in the outer shell to shut off the water, which was obviously no longer happening.

There is no reason why that hole should still be concentric with the outside of the shell, but centering the latter in the four-jaw chuck put the hole within about 0.2 mm of where it should be:

Champion hose nozzle - lathe centering
Champion hose nozzle – lathe centering

I defined that to be Close Enough™ and made the hole smooth & concentric with a teeny boring bar and sissy cuts. A drill would likely have worked well enough, too.

Gently filing the nastiness off the cone showed it wouldn’t suffice, so center it while noting the irregular diameter all around:

Champion hose nozzle - lathe centering cone
Champion hose nozzle – lathe centering cone

A skim cut revealed the need for more attention:

Champion hose nozzle - scarred cone
Champion hose nozzle – scarred cone

Another tenth of a millimeter improved its disposition:

Champion hose nozzle - improved cone
Champion hose nozzle – improved cone

Gentle touchup with a fine file reserved for special occasions may have been a further improvement:

Champion hose nozzle - finish filed
Champion hose nozzle – finish filed

Add a dollop of silicone grease to encourage the shell to turn much more easily on the O-ring, reassemble in reverse order, and top it off with a new hose washer.

A quick test on a reasonably warm day showed the cone met the cylinder poorly enough to consign this nozzle to the brass recycling box.

It was fun trying, though …

Comments

7 responses to “Champion Hose Nozzle: Refreshed Seal Attempt”

  1. Mick King Avatar
    Mick King

    this is interesting……..I think mine still seals, but I have an alternate valve on the end of the hose, with a quick disconnect on the nozzle and showerhead for flower watering.

    1. Ed Avatar

      If I didn’t find a similar nozzle in the Hydraulics Box, I’d definitely be rooting around in there for a shutoff valve. :grin:

  2. simon0362 Avatar

    Some thoughts (assuming WP finally allows me access!)

    • I am unconvinced that the grotty looking thread is sufficient to align your nozzle cone with the cover cone and I assume that it is there solely to provide motion
    • therefore the sealing action would be a combination of the O ring (which looks like it isn’t in the first flush of youth) and the male/female cone
    • this latter join ought to be self centering and, once centered, reliant on the cone fit to shut the water flow off
    • ergo…the cone in the cover should be cleaned/remachined/whatever to be a good fit against the other cone that you cleaned up. I can’t see how you could do it but it screams lapping to a good fit.

    Just my 2c…!

    1. Ed Avatar

      That thread looks like it started out awful and time has done it no favors!

      The O-ring keeps water from flowing from the back of the nozzle, which it does reasonably well. The silicone grease definitely improved its slipperiness, but it seems to be just slightly the wrong size and the nozzle turns too firmly.

      I think the slop in the threads is intended to allow the cone to center itself against the end of the cylindrical hole, so the entire seal depends on how well that cone meets the edge of the hole. My boring & filing just aren’t up to spec, not least because I didn’t / can’t remove any corrosion inside the nozzle where the cone meets it.

      I vaguely recall a Home Shop Machinist article about making such a spray nozzle from brass bar stock, but those skills (and machine tools!) are aspirational for me. :sigh:

      (I think WordPress held your comment because it came from a new / different email address. You’d be depressed to know what else it holds for review, so I’m reluctant to dial that down. Sorry ’bout that.)

  3. RCPete Avatar
    RCPete

    Last spring I discovered that draining the hose and leaving the closed nozzle on the loop was insufficient. Somewhere in the low meadow is the part that broke off from freeze damage. I think it was 30 years old.

    Found some decent ones on Amazon. The Home Desperate ones use a snap-ring so the nozzle cannot be dismantled. Not fun when the water source to the pump has dead algae and random crud in it. Casual observation of the snapring says it won’t come out without a fight.

    The lathe project reminded me of an extremely unsuccessful attempt at doing a new carburetor shaft on a well worn VW Beetle. Some things require far more tooling and patience than I have.

    1. Ed Avatar

      The phrase “Decent ones on Amazon” is a rare sight. :grin:

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