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  • Discrete LM3909 vs. DSO150 Scope

    Although I’m a big fan of multi-channel scopes and Hall-effect current probes, a dirt-cheap single-trace oscilloscope can get you quite a ways to the goal:

    LM3909 - DSO150 test setup
    LM3909 – DSO150 test setup

    That’s a genuine JYETech DSO150 powered by an 18650 lithium cell and a boost converter set to 9 V. Make sure you get a genuine DSO150 from an authorized seller, rather than one of the myriad knockoffs; it doesn’t cost much more and tends to reward the right folks.

    Anyhow, battery power means you can connect it directly across components to measure what would otherwise be a differential voltage:

    LM3909 - Darl Q1 3x Q2 - 1.5 V - R1 V - DSO150
    LM3909 – Darl Q1 3x Q2 – 1.5 V – R1 V – DSO150

    That’s the voltage across R1, the 39 Ω LED ballast resistor in the discrete LM3909 circuit running from a 1.5 V supply. Divide the 314 mV peak by 39 Ω to get 8 mA of LED current.

    The voltage across C1, the timing and boost capacitor, looks like this:

    LM3909 - Darl Q1 3x Q2 - 1.5 V - C1 V - DSO150
    LM3909 – Darl Q1 3x Q2 – 1.5 V – C1 V – DSO150

    So the cap adds half a volt to the supply in order to put 2.0 V across the LED, which accounts for the relatively low current; the green LED has a forward drop of about 2.2 V at 20 mA and 1.9 V at µA-level current.

    For completeness, the voltage across the LED:

    LM3909 - Darl Q1 3x Q2 - 1.5 V - Green LED V - DSO150
    LM3909 – Darl Q1 3x Q2 – 1.5 V – Green LED V – DSO150

    So, yup, the LED really does see 2.0 V. I love it when the numbers work out.

    Crank the supply to 3 V and see this across R1:

    LM3909 - Darl Q1 3x Q2 - 3.2 V - R1 V - DSO150
    LM3909 – Darl Q1 3x Q2 – 3.2 V – R1 V – DSO150

    The LED current is now 1.23 V / 39 Ω = 33 mA.

    The capacitor just barely enters reverse charge:

    LM3909 - Darl Q1 3x Q2 - 3.2 V - C1 V - DSO150
    LM3909 – Darl Q1 3x Q2 – 3.2 V – C1 V – DSO150

    Pop quiz: what voltage to you expect to see across the LED?

    I’ll leave further investigation to your imagination, but for low-frequency analog work, you can do worse than a DSO150.